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Quote of the day

June 18, 2004
Quote of the day

Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear. – Bertrand Russell

George over at Warblogging has a great post up — with photos from Abu Ghraib, so be warned — that lays it out for all to see. The photos show what is called “a stress position,” not torture. Oh, no, heaven forfend. We don’t torture people.

Remember that General Karpinski, the former commander of Abu Ghraib, says that she was told by Major General Miller — her replacement as commander of Iraqi prisons — to treat the prisoners “like dogs” because “[they] are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you?ve lost control of them.”

Tell me that these people are not war criminals. Go ahead. Tell me. Tell me that these people did not approve the use of excessive force in combat. Tell me that these people did not engage in the use of excessive force in combat. Tell me that these generals who consider the Iraqis “dogs” are “liberating” the Iraqi people. Tell me that a leadership that actively hides prisoners from the Red Cross, that approves the use of these stress positions, that approves the use of dogs in interrogations, tell me that these people are moral, that they are not criminal, that they are somehow fit to lead this nation.

They are not fit to lead this nation. They are fit only to spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. Not only for what they have done to Iraq, but for what they have done to America.

Anyone who even tries to claim that Abu Ghraib, etc, is okay, is unAmerican. I don’t give a shit — September 11th did not change everything. Everything this country was built on is on the precipice; the damage has been done, internationally, and it’s this election that will show them whether or not this was an aberration or not.

We must do everything in our power to depose this government. We cannot abide the lies and abuses heaped on both ourselves and on the world, and we must affect change.

This may end up being the single-most important Presidential election in US history. Don’t screw it up by letting the Shrub have another term.

9 Responses to Quote of the day

  • I feel just like you, Scott. But there are SO many out there that disagree, it boggles the mind. I don’t get it.

  • hey everyone,
    just finished my latest thing and thought i would give you the address of it.

    http://www.oftheworld.tv/0405/simulacra1.htm

    It is pretty compressed (from 2 gigs to under 50 megs), so the most important part of it,
    which is the footage of the apache killings of december 1 2003, is hard to discern.
    My intent for this piece is to make people aware of the ongoing, indisputable war
    crimes that are directed from central command in the ongoing occupation of Iraq.
    I am currently working on a web site which will host the video of the killings, and
    explain the history of this event, and its importance in recognizing the role
    mainstream media has played in supressing information related to this event, from its
    original leak prior to jan 15, 2004, to my own frustrated attempts at having the media
    explore this extremely powerful evidence of a war crime.
    I appologise for not having the site up yet, but time is tight right now ( another
    excuse for some sloppy work).
    If anyone is interested they can drop me a line. If you want to pass it on that would
    be great, as any help with this story would be good. I’ll send another out when the
    site is up.

    http://www.oftheworld.tv/0405/simulacra1.htm

  • You’re worse than Michael Barone and the ‘this is 1860/1864 (depending on the sensationalist)’ crowd. Does Kerry have an exit strategy for Iraq? No. So what you’re talking about is more of the same. More of the same does not lend the election more importance than 1980, 1916, 1864, 1860, or half a dozen other ones before that which helped shape the America we know today. I like Bush, but I’d hardly call his reelection the key to staving off armageddon.

  • You’re worse than Michael Barone and the ‘this is 1860/1864 (depending on the sensationalist)’ crowd. Does Kerry have an exit strategy for Iraq? No. So what you’re talking about is more of the same. More of the same does not lend the election more importance than 1980, 1916, 1864, 1860, or half a dozen other ones before that which helped shape the America we know today. I like Bush, but I’d hardly call his reelection the key to staving off armageddon.

  • You’re worse than Michael Barone and the ‘this is 1860/1864 (depending on the sensationalist)’ crowd. Does Kerry have an exit strategy for Iraq? No. So what you’re talking about is more of the same. More of the same does not lend the election more importance than 1980, 1916, 1864, 1860, or half a dozen other ones before that which helped shape the America we know today. I like Bush, but I’d hardly call his reelection the key to staving off armageddon.

  • I think an exit strategy is too difficult to ask for at this juncture — the closer Kerry gets to the election, the better idea he’ll have as to the realities on the ground in Iraq.

    It would be insane to say “this is my strategy to get out of Iraq” at this point — there are simply too many factors that are liable to change.

    Not that I expect you to understand that. This administration has done more harm to us than any other in history.

  • I think it would be crazy to formulate more than a framework of an exit strategy even closer to the election. Until he’s president, Kerry won’t have access to the details of it all. How can you make a solid plan to exiting when you don’t have all the facts?

  • Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for WMD destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with WMD destruction is real…”
    – Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
    Source Georgetown University Washington ,DC

  • And…?

    Everyone in DC was being fed false information by Bush’s intelligence teams.

    Notice no one ever said Saddam was a nice guy? Let’s find the flip-flopping quotes from your president, shall we? The man has told more lies than any president I recall.